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Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened,
there should no flesh be saved:
but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.



Jhn 5:43    I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.


This man is the man of sin. This man is the very reason that it's scriptually posible to have a rapture upto 7 years before the second coming. But its not very likely to happen, as history teaches that the previous 3 jewish spring feasts were fullfilled within months. I espect the same with the harvest feasts, but then we DO have several problems; one of them is shortage of time, for in a period of days or even months it is impossible to pour out that much misery upon the world. Plus the worlds demise isn't slumbering; for decades we can observe several forms of decay or "birth pangs" as they are called.

The call sign is the "sudden destruction that cometh upon them" for it is written:
Eze 9:4    And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem,
and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.


In the same vision 6 angels carry weapons of destruction to "spare not even a child or women"  (  )
Eze 9:5    And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:

These weapons are the wrath, of wich we shall have no portion of, for our God is a righteous God in His judgements.
Now in answer of one of your questions: where we will be during the judgement;
 all of us will be in heavenly places; the devil will be cast on the earth at that time.

Now on to the hot iron called Rev.13;  To connect the man of sin to Isael, we have the "42 months" as a ruler. Here we go:
Rev 13:5    And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies;
and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.

Rev 11:2    But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not;
for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.


But wait ! read the next verse:
Rev 11:3    And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses,
and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4    These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.


Now back to Rev 13
Rev 13:7    And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them:
and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.


And what will happen with these 2 witnesses :
Rev 11:7    And when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them,
and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8    And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city,
which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,
where also our Lord was crucified.


So, the question is, who do you think are the 2 witnesses.
According to the scriptures above these are semaphores for the group of people that are persecuted and martyred in the last 7 years.

It would have been so nice.....

But the 2 witnesses are in a different resurrection order..... They both lived and died at the same time,
were brought back to life by God and are raptured like the Lord died (for us) was brought back to life and went to heaven,
but unfortunately those two are not us; they are not raptured with the sound of the trumpet;
they are even in the midst of the woes; the latter part of the Trib.

So, unfortunately Rev 13 is not the right ticket to pinpoint us in time, just days/weeks before our Rapture,
just after the resurection the dead in Christ, these are the trib saints, they indeed have more glory.
Rev 13 is very nice however to couple the man in Jhn 5:43 to the state of Israel through Rev 11:2 or the same scripture in Ezechiel.

And with this I answered your question: who are the (two) Trib witnesses ? They are in a different resurrection order, they are not us.
We are either before or after those 2; we are not them.

In anticipation of your/the next question; well, where are we in the scripture (without a coupling to the 2 witnesses) I will take you back to the last portion of
Eze 9:11    And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which [had] the inkhorn by his side,
 reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me.


Apparently the man clothed in linnen (this is a type of the Holy Spirit) sealed of the people just before the other 6 men started their work,
and was finished whilst the others were still busy with doing their thing.

This is very (very,very,very,very) important: the fullness of the gentiles and of the believing jews are sealed before the 6 men are finished,
not one is added after the man clothed in linnen came back to report, yet the judgement of God is still in progress,
and even after the intervention of Ezechiel commenced even heavier; for the Lord spoke out his Judgement and commenced with it.

You and I know what happens when the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. To complete the whole thing here we go :
Rom 11:25    For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits;
that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.


We are not appointed to wrath. Well, how can this be.... ?
We are not appointed to wrath, yet there is an obvious timetable between the sealing of those that sigh and cry,
the wrath, and the whole nation of Israel accepting their saviour as it is written in:
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem,
the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced,
and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son],
and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.


There is a separation of events; there are days, if not months (or years) between the Second Coming of Christ on earth,
and us being raptured with the last trump, they are not the same event,
just as Rosh Hashana isn't the same thing as Yom Kippur, yet are connected with each other.

And the thing is that I already quoted the answer....  let's go back to
Eze 9:11  And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which [had] the inkhorn by his side,
reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me.


The man in linnen is a type of the Holy Ghost, and He reports to God.
Which means; he went into the city; sealed off every last Gentile and Jewish believer, came out of the city, and reported back to God.
The effect in those days is also descibed by Paul in :
2Th 2:6  And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7  For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.


Here you see the of the man in linnen doing His work, sealing of men, until the appointed time, when He is no longer amidst them (and reports back to God that he sealed off each and everyone that "sigh and cry")

I know, maybe you're not convinced yet, but as this understanding who the man in linnen really is, is very (yes: very,very, very) important, i'll take you to :
Dan 12:6 And [one] said to the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river, How long [shall it be to] the end of these wonders?
Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that [it shall be] for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these [things] shall be finished.


Here the man clothed in linnen is revealed much more specific as being placed above the angels having authority to sware in his Name that this period will not be longer then 3.5 (prophetic) years; 1260 days.

Yes, here we are at the mid point of the 7 years, and the man clothed in linnen of Dan 12:6 speaks out and gives the answer.

So, the judgement will start at the 70th week and commence in a more severe manner in the latter part of the last 7 years:
Dan 12:11 And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up,
[there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Dan 12:12 Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.


I hope you still agree with me on the pre-wrath stance, as here in Dan 12:12 there is the waiting game until the Second Coming; the fullfillment of Zec 12:10.

You see, Christ came unexpected for the Jewish nation and rulers in that age,
and relatively unespected He will take us to spare us the agony of His righteous judgement and wrath, as promised.

More on this also in the Apocalypse of Elijah
http://www.geocities.com/twobombs/apoceli1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/twobombs/apoceli2.jpg




Jhn 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

A male homosexual jew, backed by Israel and the UN/EU/US for that matter.

The apocalypse of Elijah describes the man as slightly bald,
charismatic and persecuting/torturing jews/christians [details also there] and causing them to flee out of the cities into the desert.

I could not find this text via google, so I scanned my own copy with the comments of that passage and put it online on :
 http://www.geocities.com/twobombs/apoceli1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/twobombs/apoceli2.jpg

Similar to:
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child].
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness,
into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

More links to the canon in those jpg-files


Scans came from :

Apoc Books


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